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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM (736 Views) | |
| sam jordan | Sep 12 2005, 03:48 PM Post #26 |
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I was making a point that the majority of taxes are paid by the working and middle class white and black, this is not racist, just a number fact! 30% of some areas of bham are muslim, but overall it is around 3-4%. it was not racist, just illustrating the democratic mis match of how voices will be listened to. I did not suggest the muslim community had no voice on buildings, it is just that as someone else stated, 26000 blues fans petition the council, NO REACTION, a few muslims question the morallity and we have council statements and meeetings. I have a property in Kings Heath and had no notice, and I live in Gloucester, my parents live in wythall, i was raised in Kings Heath. I pay council tax in the city for a flat. |
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| txblues | Sep 12 2005, 03:52 PM Post #27 |
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Its small wonder i left all those years ago. :angry: |
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| sam jordan | Sep 12 2005, 03:57 PM Post #28 |
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well u stated what i was trying say, thanks... i agree 100%... but u will envoke critics for stating "them" and "us" in such a general way.... hard hats on.... U are so right to say that it is a clash of culture, and as mr peart once stated, "why move around the world if eden was so near..." if i went to live in a foreign nation i would respect their culture and try to blend in, and adapt my ways. that is how it should be, the UK should not bend over backwards and change our ways to accomodate them (the muslims), you will find that the middle ground of British opinion is shifting to this way of seeing things, we have been too tolerant for our own good, and for theirs, for they have not adapted to life here, and now expect things to change for them. and now we are discussing gambling casino in 2005, in the heart of britain... |
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| dr.nick | Sep 12 2005, 04:05 PM Post #29 |
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well if the muslim community is against it we are baggered. oh well it was nice to dream :( |
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| steeples | Sep 12 2005, 04:05 PM Post #30 |
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no disrespect but what the hell are they talking about ,,,who says they have to gamble anyway ...oh and if anyone is wondering islam also does not allow the killing of innocent people |
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| djmmusic | Sep 12 2005, 04:10 PM Post #31 |
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There is no them and us. Asian bluenoses do exist,the stadium is also for cricket and many asians love cricket. We need asian bluenoses to step forward and be pro-stadium/casino. That'll knock the stuffing out of the PC brigade! |
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| BornBlueNosed | Sep 12 2005, 04:13 PM Post #32 |
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Actually Sam I actually found your posts skirting very close to being out and out racist. You did imply that the Muslim community in Birmingham shouldn't have a voice (whether intentionally or otherwise) and pretty much took an us and them attitude. making gross generalisations about them not liking your way of life etc. I have a bit of bad news for you (as a black catholic, not that thats particularly relevant to this discussion) based on previous revelations you have made on this site, and the fact that you stated you were a catholic I think you will find that the Pope would take exception to you and your involvement in his religion. Fortunately most of us form our own opinions rather than blindly following doctrine without question. Otherwise I would have a problem with you on religious grounds (which I don't) and if you wish to argue that this is a CofE country then half of their clergy would have the same position as the catholic church on this. This isn't a personal attack I just wanted to point out how easy it is to condemn the muslim religion because you disagree with its views when our own religion isn't exactly blameless for intolerance either. Personally I have over the years made a number of friends from virtually all religions and some from different sexual orientations and contrary to the rants in your posts they do not have a problem with our way of life and want to change it. I recall at the time shops were proposing Sunday opening the Church was up in arms. As this went against the religion of our country, yet shops still open on Sunday. Interestingly before that happened people were glad of the Asian owned cornershops that opened when every where else was closed. You can't have it both ways you either accept that with diversity will come different views and religious beliefs and take the benefits of this as well as the drawbacks or you have no diversity and a monocolture where shops still closed half day wednesday and at 5pm every evening, don't open Sundays and the idea of interesting cuisine is bangers and mash. Whilst I agree in many ways that PC has gone too far (and I think you will find that many people from ethnic minority backgrounds find this as annoying as you do). I will always take exception to thinly disguised racism. BBN |
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| harry1 | Sep 12 2005, 04:29 PM Post #33 |
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What a loud of crap....im a muslim and i have a lot of white friends. This teacher is chatting crap. Surely the teacher should be reported. As a muslim I am not allowed to gamble so i dont do the lottery or visit casinos, im not allowed to drink so i dont go to pubs for a pint (but soft drinks are fine). I imagine that the muslims against the Casino are a very small minority. A regeneration plan like the casino is great for a community like Small Heath, Alum Rock etc as it would generate 100's of jobs for the high propertion of unemployed for those living in the catchment areas. I as a muslim totally support the casino and super stadium. |
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| harry1 | Sep 12 2005, 04:40 PM Post #34 |
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You what!!!!??? Us and them would suggest something along the lines of racism. I pay my tax's, have a season ticket at blues and am a muslim. I find your comments completly and utterly disgraceful. Majority of tax's will be paid by white people seeing as the majoiry of bham's population is made up of white people. I cannot believe how the conversation re: opposition to the stadium/casino by muslims has allowed people to express their racist feelings towards muslims. Bet you'll still go and have a curry after a night out on the w/end. Shame on you. |
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| anna | Sep 12 2005, 04:43 PM Post #35 |
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There have been views by a cross section of society on this thread, perhaps it would be wise to follow djmusic & e-mail our councillors & post the replies on a seperate thread & lock this thread before it turns into another heated slanging match :( |
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